2Q 2023 Earnings Transcript
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Global Head of Investor Relations, |
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Chief Executive Officer, Co-Founder & Director, Apollo Global |
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MANAGEMENT DISCUSSION SECTION
Operator: Good morning, and welcome to
This call may include forward-looking statements and projections which do not guarantee future events or performance. Please refer to Apollo's most recent
Also note that nothing on this call constitutes an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offer to purchase an interest in any Apollo fund.
I will now tuthe call over to
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Global Head of Investor Relations,
Great. Thanks, Donna. And welcome again, everyone, to our call. We're really thankful for the opportunity to spend some time with you this morning. Earlier we published our earnings release and financial supplement on
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the Investor Relations portion of our website. Within these documents, you will see that we generated very solid results that included record quarterly fee-related earnings of
Together, these two earnings streams totaled
Joining me from our team to discuss our results in further detail are
and
we'll be endeavoring to do that today.
So with that, I'll tuit over to Marc.
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Chief Executive Officer, Co-Founder & Director,
Thanks, Noah. And we all can wish for certain things and hope that they come true. In any event, as Noah said, it was truly a very, very strong quarter. Normalized SRE and FRE of
Just to put in context, Athene has now grown or will grow 30% SRE, two years in a row, and they actually have hit their 2026 financial target as laid out in our Investor Day some two years ago. In just two years. Not only are they doing an exceptional job, but clearly Jim and Grant and the team have exceptionally sandbagged everyone and the business continues to be very strong.
In addition to financial results, we had record inflows for the quarter on an organic basis. We had some
So I expect that we will be a little more careful in giving guidance quarter-by-quarter to account for how this business actually operates. From my point of view, and as Martin and we have discussed previously, we generated positive operating leverage and margin expansion this quarter and we expect this to continue over the next couple of years as we benefit from the investments that we've made in people and facilities and in upgrading our business over the past few years.
In short, our strategic positioning is excellent and anchored by three really simple principles. One, purchase price matters. The second, excess retuper unit of risk that is what we do, and full alignment with our clients, both our institutional and our retail clients. It actually feels pretty good, having not chased the hot dot during an era of money printing and zero rates. Our opportunity set is just different than that of our peer group.
Apollo has momentum. In terms of the business, let me start for the quarter with the equity business. In the equity business, this year has really marked the end of an era. So if I think about what happened over the prior decade and perhaps longer than a decade, there were these incredible tailwinds in the equity business, tailwinds from
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money printing, pulling forward of demand, fiscal stimulus, and certainly from zero rates. We now find ourselves, in an absence of tailwinds. Rates are higher. Growth is slower. Globalization is in retreat.
People will have to go back to investing the old-fashioned way. They'll actually have to be very good investors. They will need to produce alpha. I believe that's what we've been doing, demonstrated by the recent private equity results. The final close for Fund X in mid-July brought in capital just around
Fund IX generated 36% gross IRRs, 24% net IRRs. In the quarter, just a really interesting time in the private equity business, between haves and have-nots.
Let me move on from the equity business and talk about the two drivers of the quarter and what I expect to drive the rest of the year. First, private credit. As I've said previously, private credit, these are two words that actually mean nothing. Private credit can be investment grade. Private credit can be CCC.
Barriers to entry in the private credit business are either quite low. Anyone with a fund and a staff capable of evaluating investments can truly enter the private credit business. Or barriers to entry can be extraordinarily high. And building a full ecosystem that allows you to serve the needs of your clients in a very sophisticated way. Think of the difference between a hot dog stand and a
Financial markets, financial literacy around private credit has actually gotten quite sloppy. What is private credit? Well, if we start in the abstract, everything that is on a bank balance sheet is private credit. But most of the time, market pundits talk about private credit. They're talking about a very small sliver of a private credit universe that's focused on levered lending. Don't get me wrong. We like the levered lending business. Levered lending is actually a terrific business right now. It will not always be a terrific business. It is a cyclical business with low barriers to entry, but one that at the right point in time, can be very lucrative.
What we have tried to build is not a single fund, is not a single opportunity. We've tried to build an ecosystem. If I reflect on the past decade, we've invested some
And as you know, much, if not most of what they do is investment grade. That's important because the investment grade market is at least eight times larger than the high-yield market and eight times larger than levered lending market. This is a great time for private credit. This is not a quarter. That's a great time for private credit. This is secular change. Not only do we have higher base rates and regulatory change and change in market dynamics. We are in the beginning of a secular shift in how credit is provided to businesses and a shift that I believe will continue to gather speed.
To be successful in this market. You need a recurring supply of unique origination. This quarter we originated some
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In addition to origination, you need an integrated capital markets business, because after all, we want 25% of everything and 100% of nothing. Our ACS business, led by
This quarter, we've raised some
We have currently more than
One of the single most important factors in this market is that, we are completely aligned with our client base. We own what they own at the same time, at the same price. There is nothing that is more confidence inspiring than alignment.
Let me move on from private credit to talk a little bit about the job Athene did in the quarter. Athene's results are in part driven by the ability of Apollo to source attractive investment grade credit, but also by the incredibly talented team that has been building Athene for the past 14 years. Normalized SRE for the quarter was
We've made progress this quarter in
Also recall that our business is built at the top of the capital structure on a senior secured basis and we sleep better at night. Credit experience in the quarter was incredibly benign. Less than 2 basis points, which I'm sure Martin will detail.
Surrenders or outflows also came in better than forecast. And if you recall from the chart we've included in this quarter as well as prior quarters as well as the education we've been doing, the primary driver of surrenders is not what happens at any point in time in interest rates. It is the timing of the expiration of programs that we put on three and five years ago and for the most part is highly predictable.
It is difficult to imagine going from startup or new business to where Athene is today. Right now, we have not done an inorganic transaction for a number of years, but we are the beneficiary of four very diverse channels, retail, PRT, reinsurance, and funding agreements. All four of those channels are dependent on a stable and high- quality credit rating and having an infrastructure and a scale and an operating expense ratio that allow you to lever the business.
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