Sundance customers’ complaints: Vacations went nowhere
By Jeff Gelles, The Philadelphia Inquirer | |
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Whatever else Sundance offered, they were braced for a hard sell and planned to say no. But they left with something extra, anyway: a signed contract with the
They agreed to pay
Looking back, the Rowes said they felt pressured and misled into signing up for a deal that to them proved nearly worthless. In return for their money, they mostly counted a litany of frustration -- particularly that they were unable to book lodging they wanted and faced fees that made a Sundance vacation more costly than other, less-limited choices.
Sundance rejects such criticism, saying its customers freely enter into contracts after salespeople outline all the key terms -- including by requiring customers to sign disclosures asking such questions as, "Do you feel your decision to purchase was based on high-pressure sales tactics?"
Not that it would necessarily matter either way.
Although hundreds of Sundance customers have complained in recent years in online forums, in lawsuits, to the
Unlike consumer-protection officials in
"I was lied to from the start,"
Like other Sundance critics, the Rowes contended that much of what Sundance's sales reps said or suggested during a heavy-handed pitch did not prove true.
They said they found it difficult or impossible to get the weeks and destinations they wanted. And they found that if they did, the package deal they bought fell far short of covering the cost of a typical week's lodging. With interest, they were prepaying more than
Despite their regrets, the Rowes also concluded there was no way out. The papers they signed stated they had no right to rescind the contract even if they had second thoughts -- a right that most states give people who purchase vacation time-shares, a similar business long criticized for luring purchasers into contracts that many come to regret.
Four years later -- after using just one of their 30 weeks -- the Rowes prepaid their remaining balance of
Their Sundance contract said they would owe that fee, which could rise as much as 5 percent a year, until they used all 30 weeks -- seemingly forever, at the rate they were going.
To the Rowes, that was the last straw. After months of complaints, privately to the company and publicly on Facebook, the couple were offered a partial refund in March and a different kind of vacation: a one-year hiatus from paying the service fee if they wanted to maintain rights to half their remaining 29 weeks.
The Rowes, both postal workers in
Sundance also asked for something else: a retroactive removal of online criticism.
"Apparently they can see people's Facebook," said
Rejects complaints
Sundance, familiar here for the sweepstakes it uses to collect telemarketing leads at Flyers and 76ers games and other places crowds gather, says its contracts enable thousands of customers to enjoy affordable vacations.
Sundance attorney
Unhappy customers, including more than three dozen contacted by The Inquirer, tell stories similar to the Rowes' -- accounts also supported by ex-employees of Sundance and TAN who have reached out to critics via the Facebook boycott page.
Last year, when Oakley was especially active as one of the boycott page's administrators, "there were times we were getting 20 to 40 private messages a week from consumers. Most were asking how to cancel," he said.
While at TAN, Oakley worked closely with Sundance's marketers, and said salespeople routinely left out details prospective customers would want to know. One was how often they were likely to face peak-season or extra-room surcharges. Another was the chance they'd get a hotel room with a microwave rather than a fully equipped condo.
Thomas, of
"There were a ton of blackout dates for the promotional vacations, and we weren't allowed to tell people that unless they asked," she said. "We told them they'd be coming to an hour-long session. Some people are there two or three hours or longer till the salesperson wears them down."
Oakley said another way Sundance misled customers centered on its relationship with
"They try to give the illusion to the consumer that they're dealing with a third-party lender," Oakley said. "That's how they keep them paying -- saying 'You signed a loan contract with Tri State.' "
Despite such complaints, some customers speak positively about their Sundance deals. In interviews, several especially praised TAN's "excess inventory" program, which offers lodgings for less than
"Since we've been retired, we go whenever we can. We just call and see what they have," said
"My price has never changed in over 12 years," said Alburger, who said her annual service fee is under
Alburger also benefits from a TAN program that allows her to book for family and friends. As many as 60 people from her church have joined her family for September trips to
Alburger did not sign up with TAN in the way most Sundance customers do. She learned of it using a friend's plan. When she called to ask about joining, she rejected proposals to buy prepaid weeks.
"I'm not a sucker. They tried to get you to buy weeks of vacation. I didn't buy," she said.
"After about four supervisors, they took us back to get our cruise voucher, and the lady presented us with a package we just couldn't resist," she said. Kaplan and her husband paid
Skepticism and regrets
Unhappy Sundance customers told The Inquirer a different kind of story -- one that typically began with either less skepticism or weaker resolve and ended with a costly contract they regretted signing.
For
The promise: " 'Come to the sales pitch, and we'll give you a free three-day trip,' " as he recalled it. The result: a
The Sindonis, who both work in marketing, said the sales methods at Sundance's
The goal seemed to be to keep them in the room, bargaining over terms, rather than allowing them to carefully weigh any offers. "It's predicated on not leaving,"
"The more we said no, the more they just kept coming back with a more enticing offer,"
The couple had second thoughts right after signing. "By the next day we realized it was a mistake. But as far as we could tell, there was really nothing we could do,"
Brier, the Sundance attorney, suggested via e-mail that Sundance offers all customers an out, despite contracts that say in bold, underlined type that they are "NOT SUBJECT TO ANY 'RIGHT OF RESCISSION' AND MAY NOT BE CANCELLED."
"For more than 15 years, in the days that follow a successful sales meeting, Sundance calls new clients to make sure that the clients are satisfied," Brier wrote via e-mail. Calling it a voluntary "best practice," he said: "The sale is not final until Sundance makes this follow-up customer satisfaction call."
Oakley, the former TAN manager, said such calls are meant to welcome new customers and orient them to the program, not offer a way out. He said Sundance's "stance has always been it's not cancellable."
Sindoni said she did not remember any such call, just that she contacted Sundance herself when she felt buyer's remorse, and that a company representative tried to "convince me even more that it was the right decision" without any hint there were other options.
"She said I was stuck -- the contract was binding," Sindoni said.
Second thoughts morphed into regrets when they began trying to take their vacation weeks. They said they had been misled about something particularly important to them as owners of two pugs: access to pet-friendly accommodations.
"They said they had at least two or three and were working on more,"
Seven years later, even after Sundance agreed to write off the last
The free trip? They got airfare to
Over seven years, the Sindonis said they had used the contract once -- not for one of their prepaid weeks, but to rent an excess-inventory condo on
Complex advance-booking rules and surcharges -- mentioned in the contract but downplayed at best during the sales pitch -- were also at the heart of the Rowes' complaints.
Holiday periods, including Easter and
When the Rowes joined, the
With two young children, the Rowes said, the most they could imagine taking was one vacation week a year. Counting the annual fee and a
"That's when we realized, why are we still paying on it?"
Wanting out
What can
When customers call, they say Sundance officials point to the contract's clear warnings that they cannot cancel even in the first days after they sign up, as state laws provide for timeshare purchases.
Sundance, which has offices in
But that may not be true everywhere.
Joy said
In both cases, she said, that means buyers are often frustrated that they can't get the bookings they want.
"That's the biggest complaint -- the inability to use them as promised," Joy said. "If they told the truth about the way these things work, they wouldn't be able to sell them."
Sundance has also faced challenges in
In a 2010 agreement with
Some Sundance critics say they have complained about the company's practices to the
For example, other companies' use of prizes and sweepstakes, especially as a method of claiming permission to telemarket to a consumer on the federal Do Not Call registry, has been a repeated target of FTC enforcement actions.
If
In particular, they said private lawyers here can do little to help consumers who were misled into signing contracts -- a weakness they said was reinforced by a controversial 2007 state
"In
Even so, Flitter said the state
"If the
Quiet settlements
How has Sundance responded to complaints that customers are pressured and misled?
Ex-customers say it has quietly settled many complaints -- including almost all of 152 filed with the
But in public, Sundance mostly suggests that the complaints themselves are misleading.
"Nearly all of the 'complaints' made against Sundance are the result of one convicted felon who has already been sanctioned and fined by the court for using fake names to foment false allegations against Sundance," said Brier, the Sundance lawyer.
He was alluding to
Whitehead, who worked in sales after his last conviction in the 1980s for unemployment-benefits fraud, is due to appear Monday in a
Brier offered a similar argument in a
"Regrettably,
Whitehead responded: "
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