Hersch Klaff, big-game hunter in a retail jungle
| By Becky Yerak, Chicago Tribune | |
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The chief executive of
On Thursday, a group that includes Cerberus and Klaff announced a
Klaff, who describes himself as "very risk averse," has made his mark not by developing new properties, but by purchasing what he believes is undervalued, mismanaged real estate and redeveloping it. One can buy existing real estate at less than replacement cost and have a bigger cushion on which to make mistakes, he explained.
"I like to buy good stuff," the real estate investor said. "It just doesn't look good."
That's one reason the 60-year-old Klaff, a South African native who moved to
"Some companies are dodos, and they're dodos," said Klaff, recalling a French museum where he saw an exhibit about the flightless bird that became extinct.
Klaff acknowledged he's monitoring Penney and
"Eventually, a hunter is going to blow them away with a blunderbuss."
He'd like to be that hunter.
In its current form, Klaff said,
More focused on real estate, Klaff said he'd also reduce the size of
Klaff said he is watching to see how it all turns out, hoping to be involved.
"I would like
Klaff typically isn't an operating guy. In the deal for Jewel and other chains last year, the Cerberus team has
"Bob and his team are exceptional operators who turned around Albertsons seven years ago into a profitable investment for us," Klaff said.
In 2006, the Cerberus group, which included Klaff, as well as
"We cleaned it up because it was run by big corporate America, and big corporate America is where the opportunities are," Klaff said. Among other things, the Cerberus-led group hired "better people" and gave them incentives.
"It led us to our next step, which was
Last year, Klaff and his group bought five chains, including
The Cerberus-led group already has spruced up many of the Jewel stores, partly because of
"The new fight in town is not about milk -- it's about lobsters," Klaff said.
He interprets Mariano's dividend cut as a move aimed at conserving cash for its expansion. Mariano's is saying, "'I'm all in.'"
"We're sitting interested, watching, upgrading," Klaff said. "It's all about fresh."
In late 2013,
Under Cerberus, decision-making at the newly acquired grocery chains is more decentralized; regional presidents have more responsibilities, Klaff said.
"It's an operating company with real estate as opposed to real estate with an operating company," Klaff said. "It can be turned around and improved, which we've done before."
Cerberus owns about 40 percent of
If the grocery stores are turned around and improved, "we'll make a lot more money with the business doing well than if it did badly and we had to turn to the real estate," he said.
Still, he said, grocery chains' real estate acts as an "insurance policy."
Klaff owns little else in the
He and his partners once bought a building at Rush and Oak and leased it to luxury retailer Barneys, which then built a new store there.
"Eventually, we sold the land back to them at a big price," Klaff said.
The key to his business is taking something and making it something different, including divvying up spaces into smaller lots, renovating them and leasing them to smaller tenants for higher rents.
"Change-of-use renovation -- that is all we've done," Klaff said.
He's not interested in "typical one-off" office buildings or shopping centers that "anybody with money -- and there's a lot of money and low criteria in terms of returns" -- can buy.
He said it's "time to hunt elsewhere" because there's little growth left in the U.S. retail industry and few investment prospects except for "very large whales" that "are distressed, like a department store chain like
"These companies we buy in this group are unique," he said. "There are such huge barriers to entry, and it's difficult for others to compete."
That's why he has to find partners.
"I have an idea and say, 'Who am I taking this one to?'" Klaff said.
He has done deals with
The groups of which he's a part like to "buy assets through the backdoor in very complex situations like bankruptcy in very big deals in which no one else can compete," he said.
A 2003 National Real Estate Investor story told of how Klaff and his partners bought designation rights -- essentially options on leases usually mired in bankruptcy court -- on 220 liquidating Service Merchandise stores. The story said Klaff had taken positions on dozens of
"It's a good example of being able to look at a situation where some see a problem and he sees an opportunity," Hadro said.
"He brought us in as a capital partner, and he was operating partner," Gray said of Klaff. "He has a great nose for value."
In 2005, a group that included Klaff was outbid for
"The guys who bought
But
Earlier deals in which Klaff was involved include Mervyn's, a former Target unit. Klaff and his partners bought Mervyn's in 2004 and sold the department store operator in 2007. In 2008, Mervyn's fell into bankruptcy.
Klaff said it was largely because the
A lawsuit, however, claimed that the retailer's real estate assets were stripped of value and were used partly to service the leveraged buyout's debt. In 2012, Cerberus, Klaff and other defendants agreed to pay
Klaff said great retailers should be able to pay rent.
"All we did was make Mervyn's pay market rent for their own properties," unlike the chain's previous owner, Target, Klaff said. "Hello? How about
"You don't get money for free in this world," he said. "That means that the business has to be good, which goes back to what's the big deal of charging rent when some of the greatest retailers in the world only rent properties?"
Klaff also recently raised about
Nearly 80 people have invested in the first fund, which required a minimum contribution of
He also owns real estate in
Studying accounting in
"He thought the world would begin and end in America," Klaff said of his father.
He got his visa when a
"Few things are the same around the world," Klaff said. "One is numbers."
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Twitter @beckyyerak
Job: CEO,
Lives:
Family: Married with three children
Self-description: "The world's most un-technical person." A friend opened a Facebook account for him, but it's largely inactive, even as Klaff gets alerts from people who want to friend him.
"When I go on Facebook now, there are 87 whatever they are," he said. "If I ever started, I'd get obsessed by it, and I don't want to take the mental time to be obsessed by it, because I've got other things I'd rather do."
Work environment: His headquarters is on
"
Shopping philosophy: "Like all good men," he rarely buys anything for himself, "except for music and books, and now you can't shop for that because it's all online."
Dress: Usually casual.
"Hersch has achieved a level of success, so he can dress the way he wants instead of dressing to impress," Hadro said.
At a summer meeting on the
Adds
Interests: travel, books, Pilates, art -- particularly Latin American art. Institutions that he has supported include
Admired investor: Klaff aspires to be a "mini-
The deal that got away: Nearly five years after being outbid for the
"Sure, they're great baseball fans," he said of the Ricketts family, the
"I can promise you they weren't kicking around soccer balls when they were kids," yet they've helped build
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