2023 Preliminary Results VIG Transcript Teleconference
Preliminary Results 2023
Q&A-Session Conference Call
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Operator |
And the first question comes from |
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Hello, good afternoon, thank you for taking my questions. |
Congratulations on the excellent results. I have three from my |
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side. The first one would be on your PBT guidance for 2024. It |
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would be very helpful if you could provide more granularity as to |
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which regions or geographies you expect to provide this |
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incremental growth in 2024. |
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The second one would be on the combined ratio of 92.6% that |
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you reported in 2023, just trying to better understand how should |
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we now think about the normalised level of combined ratio for |
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VIG, given the fact that we have seen this 92.5% level of |
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combined ratio for the last two years. Should we expect an |
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improvement going forward from here on? |
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And the last one would be on |
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one of the challenging markets in terms of the MTPL rates. It |
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would be helpful if you could provide more colour, as in what kind |
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of dynamics you are seeing hereon. Are you seeing any |
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improvement in the MTPL rating cycle? Yes, those are the three |
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questions that I have, thank you. |
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Hartwig Löger |
Thank you for your question, I will take question number one and |
three from my side, and I will ask, then, |
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the question on the combined ratio. Maybe to go a little bit |
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deeper in the expectation of the aim and ambition for 2024. I |
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think, on the one side, I would split it up into targeted growth this |
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year, 2024, which is based, as I mentioned, on the expectation |
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also of GDP growth on a higher level in our core markets. But |
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especially I would also touch on the topic of our strategic |
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partnership with Erste. Overall, the |
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give a clear target of increase, over the next two, three years, |
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income out of insurance commission up to a level of plus 50%. |
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And this is a common agreement we also have on the basis that |
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there, especially in non-life, will be a strong potential also in |
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growth besides the important and successful life activities. |
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Going on, we see that in most of our countries we have a clear |
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target also to take the potential of non-life also in the new form |
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of digital insurance and platform activities. So there is a growth |
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path we clearly defined over the next time, and also in 2024. And |
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it was also mentioned before, by |
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2023, there is still potential, especially in the health business, |
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where we also see the chance, over the markets, including |
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Also important, on the side of efficiency and costs, there is a |
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clear target, for example I mentioned, from my side also, under |
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the topic of cooperation. We, for example, are now in |
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merging non-life companies, and we will merge Wiener and |
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Compensa non-life, and out of that there is also the situation that |
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out of three life companies we will merge to one. So there will |
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remain two non-life companies, InterRisk and Compensa non- |
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life, and also one life company. |
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And here, we see that there are also effects we will take in the |
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results of our group. And I also mentioned in the strategic |
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initiatives of VIG 25, there are clear activities also to strengthen |
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the efficiency and increase efficiency in automatisation, for |
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example in claims handling there are a lot of activities in the |
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group companies also to work on that. |
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I'll take now the question number three regarding |
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you are right, there in |
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a soft market. It is not easy at the moment, especially in motor |
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TPL, to increase at a high level the premium. Besides that, we |
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are clear that there will be also the need of more a technical |
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approach in segmenting on the market side to the premium, their |
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activities now including and also guiding the merger activities, |
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but there are also initiatives which will work up a positive impact. |
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We see in 2023, a strong growth in non-life beside motor TPL. |
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And so this is also showing us that there is potential also in a |
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positive form for |
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I think, on a technical basis, is fixed in 2024, in the second half, |
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this will bring up our basis results coming from |
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are fostering our activities there. As I marked it before on the |
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map, we can see that there's a clear target also to take the |
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potential we have on the Polish markets for the next years. And |
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I will hand over to Peter to answer the question on the combined |
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ratio. |
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Thank you for your question on the combined ratio. I think we |
have to look at various aspects in answering this question. One |
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topic, and I mentioned it in the presentation, you can see, even |
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though we had significantly higher weather-related claims in the |
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year 2023, we were able to keep a stable combined ratio. This |
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could imply that there is potential for further improvement in our |
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claims ratio in the years to come. On the other hand, I think we |
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will also have to leathat weather-related claims become more |
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and more out of our ordinary business, due to certain climate- |
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change effects. |
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The other topic is the cost ratio, and having more than 50 |
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insurance companies in our portfolio, and we also have medium- |
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sized and smaller insurance companies, they should benefit in |
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the years to come by economies of scale effects, so therefore |
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our cost ratio over the time should go further down, which is a |
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clear improvement which we will see in the years to come in our |
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combined ratio. |
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The third effect is the higher volatility which we experience out |
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of IFRS 17, and therefore the correlation of interest rates to |
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discounting, and therefore impacts on the combined ratio. So, I |
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hope that I somehow could give you a flavour of an answer. |
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Very clear, thank you so much for the elaborate answers. |
Operator |
And the next question comes from |
Group. Please, go ahead. |
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Good afternoon, thank you very much also for taking my |
question, and thank you for the presentation. I would like to come |
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back to your PBT guidance for 2024, and I would ask for another |
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angle. You're guiding 825 to 875 million for 2024, and if I take |
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out the adjustments, the one-offs, that you had in 2023, you |
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basically were, in 2023, at the top end of the 2024 guidance. So |
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essentially I'm trying to ask, is there a degree of conservatism |
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built into your forecast, or do you anticipate a worsening of any |
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of the main P&L lines in 2024? So that would be my first |
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question. |
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Then, secondly, on your solvency ratio, that declined quite |
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significantly in Q4, I believe in Q3 you reported a ratio of above |
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300%, can you explain the factors that affected the ratio in Q4? |
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And maybe also the M&A activities have an impact here? |
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And then lastly, I'd like to ask, on the CSM, how you feel about |
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the ratio between the releases and the new business, and how |
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you see that, going forward? And then also on the new business |
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margin life-health, that increased, as you mentioned in the |
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presentation, from 5.8% to 8.9%, very substantially, and what |
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were the drivers here? And where do you expect that to settle in |
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2024 and beyond? Thank you. |
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Thank you, Thomas. Excellent question regarding the PBT |
guidance. As you know, and as we have always told in the past, |
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we have a generally more conservative approach, and we had, |
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in the past years, always adjustments, so there is, I would say, |
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an over-conservatism included in this number. But there is no |
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specific reason that some lines of business would not perform or |
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not increase as expected. So this would be my answer for the |
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first question. Second question, Solvency II ratio in Q4, the |
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decrease is only related to the interest rate curve which |
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decreased in Q4. And for the CSM, I'll hand over to our chief |
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actuary, |
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Thank you very much, good afternoon as well. Let me first |
comment on the new business margin. Well noted the |
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profitability went up significantly to close to 9%. In terms of |
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drivers, this was indeed a business driver. We had significant |
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improvement in both pricing of business sold in the last year, as |
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well as volumes sold in the profitable lines of business, in |
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particular coming very much from the |
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of effect as well from other valuation parameters, but I would |
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consider them minor. Whether this is a lever that will be |
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sustainable looking forward, hard to say because it always |
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depends on the business being sold in the particular year. |
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In terms of the sustainability of the CSM, we already see in 2023 |
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an improvement here on the life and health CSM. Net CSM is |
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slightly above 60% now, and it was even below 50% previously. |
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Of course, we know the issue, the release of the transition CSM |
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is stronger than the new business that we build, but as well there |
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are other factors, being the changes in variable fee, being the |
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other changes in the CSM development which are factoring in. |
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And as we see the more profitable new business we are building, |
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the better we are working against losing CSM, and the CSM has |
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been stable also in an environment where interest rates went |
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down in 2023. We are very confident on maintaining the |
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profitability also for the future. |
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Super, thank you very much. |
Operator |
As a reminder, anyone who wishes to ask a question may press |
star followed by one at this time. It seems like there are no further |
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questions, so I will hand back to Nina for any closing remarks. |
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Nina Higatzberger-Schwarz |
Thank you for listening in and for your questions. We will release |
the annual and sustainability report on 24th April. If there are any |
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specific questions or data that you require, please feel free to get |
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in touch with investor relations who will try to help. And the next |
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scheduled event is going to be the annual general meeting to be |
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held on 24th of May. Thank you and have a good afternoon. |
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