When interests overlap for Durbin, lobbyist wife
By Katherine Skiba and Kim Geiger, Chicago Tribune | |
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But a Tribune investigation has found instances in which
The Durbins sat down for an hourlong interview with the Tribune last week, and the U.S. senator acknowledged occasional "overlap" in which his wife's clients received his help, but both insisted that she limited her lobbying to the state and never sought federal funds.
"We were never asked to do any federal lobbying, and we never did,"
Even so, her lobbying contracts with the city of
Among the areas of overlap in the Durbins' careers: her firm getting a one-year contract with a housing nonprofit group around the time the senator went to bat for the organization and others like it; a state university receiving funds earmarked by Durbin when his wife was its lobbyist; and Durbin arranging federal money for a public health nonprofit when his wife was seeking state support for the same group.
The senator, 69, who is seeking his fourth term in the
"People know the name because I've been around for a while," the senator said. "But whether that helps or hurts her in attracting clients, you know, there are some people who are not wild about me and they may just decide they wouldn't want to have my wife work for them. But I have never, ever, ever referred a client to her. And she has not asked me ever to contact anybody on her behalf. We really tried our best to make this something where there's a clear line between what we do."
The couple said that once the decision had been made not to lobby the federal government,
"Her decision and her partner's decision, not mine," the senator said. "And I trusted her judgment. I still do."
Clients of
Two public clients --
"If you're going to become a lobbyist, part of the deal is, everything you do is going to be gone over with a very bright light, and it should be," she said. "So I don't think there's anything inherently wrong, but it is inherently worth very close scrutiny, and the burden really should be on them to show that there aren't conflicts."
Holman perceived an "indirect" conflict of interest in Durbin securing or announcing federal money for his spouse's clients. "It doesn't run afoul of any of the congressional ethics rules or federal conflict-of-interest laws, but it does raise red flags in the sense that Durbin is getting credit for awarding grants or earmarks to some of the clients of his wife," he said.
Started firm in 1997
Married for 47 years to a man who has become one of
She was an assistant for two Democratic lawmakers in the
In the early 2000s, she helped start the
She created the
Phillips, in an interview, said that when the women were opening the firm, they had concerns about working with clients whose needs might intersect with
"We met with Dick and asked him, we said, 'Are there any areas that you don't want us involved in?'" Phillips said.
Phillips and the Durbins said the firm decided to focus its efforts in
The two women ran the firm for more than a decade, and
'Call Durbin'
But determining the forces behind federal funding can be difficult.
Until recently, members of
According to the
The Tribune identified four Durbin earmarks in which federal money benefited his wife's clients in some way.
One was a previously reported
In three other cases, Durbin said his wife's clients were among many entities that benefited from an earmark.
One was for teacher-training grants that helped a number of
"I mean, it wasn't as if they received special treatment,"
Two other earmarks involved
While there's a de facto moratorium on earmarks in
In addition to earmarks, the Tribune asked Durbin and his staff about 10 grants that were announced by the senator's office and awarded to
According to Durbin, when he and other lawmakers announce federal awards, that doesn't necessarily mean they had anything to do with the funding decisions.
In September alone,
But except in the case of earmarks, Durbin disputed the notion that such announcements demonstrated his influence over the funding. And he conceded that such announcements are a way for lawmakers to get credit they don't deserve.
"I think there's a misunderstanding there," the senator said. "And politicians do not try to disabuse you of that misunderstanding. We like to announce things when they're good news for our states and districts. ... The decision on the announcement is made by the executive branch. And you wouldn't be surprised to know that if it's a Republican president, they're probably going to call a Republican senator to make the announcement, or a Republican congressman. And the opposite is true."
In the case of each of the announced grants that were identified by the Tribune, Durbin said, "I did nothing in terms of securing the money." Those decisions were made by the executive branch, he said.
"So the announcement is basically, like, a two- or three-day advance notice of an official executive branch announcement. ... And they say, 'OK, we're going to make that announcement [next] Wednesday. Call Durbin. He can announce it Friday night,'" Durbin said.
Working for
Phillips said she didn't recall agreeing to do any federal work for
"We always felt, if they needed me to go to
During the time the firm handled
Current and former
"We did not use
Now an official in
He said the lobbying firm's victories for
Marshall later was acting city manager for a year while the two women championed
As for
Marshall said he sat next to
Did
"I'm sure she did," Marshall replied, later saying that he thinks she did, but doesn't know how.
Talking about
Did
"I would have to say I really don't know. I hope he did," Pradel said.
Ethics expert McGehee said spouses of lawmakers have a clear advantage as lobbyists because of their close ties to power. "I would assume that everybody and their brother in
Di Santo and Pradel said
Lung association grant
In the early 2000s, while
The group, which promotes healthy lungs and clean air, was a client of
The senator said that while he knew earmarking the money could raise questions about his wife's role as a lobbyist for the group, he deemed the quit line a worthy enough cause.
"I believe that I knew that Loretta was securing state funds for this," Durbin said. "She did not ask me for any funds. ...I said, some day, 10 years from now, two reporters from the Tribune may ask me, you know, 'How did you, how could you explain this where you are helping one of your wife's clients?' And I'm just going to go out and do it because I think it's the right thing to do for these veterans and because if anybody asked, I've got a hell of a long record when it comes to tobacco."
The quit line funding did draw some attention from the press. Nearly a decade later, in 2009, his office chose not to publicly announce a grant from the
On
"I don't know anything about that," Durbin said. "I can't tell you why they weren't -- I did not make a conscious effort to exclude announcing anything in that regard. And there's no reason I would."
The money was awarded to the
The lung association said it paid about
'Good job' at EIU
President
The work by
Over the years,
The TPS grants to
Perry said that, to his knowledge, neither of the Durbins went to bat for the university at the federal level.
When asked why
Durbin said he was aware that his wife represented the university when he pushed for the funding.
"I made a conscious decision on Eastern," the senator said. "And I made a conscious decision on the lung association. I just said, I cannot deny these entities access to this money for this good purpose, for veterans, for teacher training."
Supporting nonprofits
Among the nonprofits that
Lakefront SRO was an organization that bought and built housing stock and converted it into affordable housing for
Logan said he could not remember why he penned a letter to the editor of the
Less than three months later, Lakefront SRO hired
Logan said Lakefront SRO constantly was seeking state and federal dollars, but that he could not recall why
"I'm sure she was very helpful," he said. "I just don't remember specifically what she did."
Last week,
"I didn't make a conscious decision on this because I never knew about this Lakefront SRO at that point," Durbin said.
But like the lung association and
" 'Overlap' would cover when we are helping a category of people which includes one of her clients," Durbin said. "And this is an example of that."
In a 2007 law, that ban was enlarged to prohibit such a spouse from lobbying any
The Durbins' son, Paul, a lawyer for Miller Canfield in
Other members of
Former Rep.
In the November election, Durbin is being challenged by state Sen.
McGehee, the lobbying ethics expert, gave the Durbins credit for discussing potential conflicts:
"Often, they don't even think about it because they're so convinced of their own good motivations. I see this a lot with politicians. It doesn't even occur to them. ... It's just that somebody else looks at it and says, wait a minute, your wife's a lobbyist. But it's to his credit that he was willing to sit down and go through this as opposed to saying there's no story there and just close the door."
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