Pandemic-related fraud totaled billions. California is trying to get some of it back
It is, by far, the largest reported amount of pandemic related fraud in any state.
But critics say the
"It's too late and too little, and even the systems they presently have can still be defrauded," says
Nationally, the total amount of unemployment insurance fraud is staggering. The
The emphasis from federal and state officials was on pushing that money out fast —
In
And it wasn't hard: Someone claiming to be
"The key to the kingdom for unemployment insurance fraud benefits was a
The state hired Scott as special counsel for its
"And with the dark web and the black market for
Investigators identified specific groups of fraudsters
So far, working with federal and local law enforcement and the
"There's balances sitting on all these debit cards that the
He says
So far, Scott says, the
"Our job is to make sure that the
Nationally, the
Dozens of people have been arrested. But thousands of criminals have faced no consequence and billions remain unaccounted for.
Outside experts think the real jobless fraud figure in
"I believe the number is closer to 32.6 billion,"
Talcove gets to that higher figure, in part, by looking at federal
Indeed, the latest
Watchdogs call for more to be done, including a forensic audit
Whatever the real number of stolen funds, Talcove argues, the bigger issue is the state has yet to put in place robust controls like those used every day in American banking and other private sector transactions.
But the state has not yet conducted a forensic audit of the fraud. And Talcove says the added protections are simply not enough.
"They are still getting their pockets picked," he says. "We go on to the dark web every day and monitor these criminal groups that are stealing from the unemployment insurance agencies. And we see it."
In just the past few weeks, he says he's seen outside criminal groups from
Some
"The state of
Patterson says his office today still gets flooded with calls from constituents having a terrible time getting their legitimate jobless claims filled while too few fraudsters have been convicted.
"Not just for unemployment insurance, for their tax departments, for their SNAP, for their TANF benefits, making sure there's an enterprise approach to identity," he says. "What makes anyone think that those criminals aren't now headed into other programs after they just robbed the United States Treasury of
In
"We've got a case going right now where the guy bought a motorcycle and we know he did it with EDD money," special counsel Scott says. "So we've taken the motorcycle."
He says state expects to soon recover another large sum from unemployment debit cards that still have money on them but have been frozen because of fraud indicators.
Ultimately, Scott concedes, there likely will be billions unrecovered.
"There's no doubt there will be a certain amount that will have to be written off at the end," he says. "What that number is, I don't know yet."
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